Trope Talk: Timeskips

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Ahh, the trope that launched a thousand redesigns. But are timeskips good? Bad? Narratively neutral and solely determined by the execution? (yes) But let's discuss in more detail anyway!
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  • oof ouch ow my website Soooo the comic site is working intermittently because of the sudden explosion of traffic. There's nothing wrong on the webmaster side (which unfortunately means there's nothing for me to fix) so it should clear up as things slow down. But you'd like to read it now, I'm mirroring it onto the comic tumblr starting here: comicaurora.tumblr.com/post/654546833938497537/intro-ch1-p1-7 Have fun! -R

    Overly Sarcastic ProductionsOverly Sarcastic Productionsหลายเดือนก่อน
    • When are you going to cover Siegfried,the nibelungenlied,and the volsunga saga

      Doom AdderDoom Adder21 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • Sorry, but...Dragons? Gods? Magic? Elves with wild hair? Catboys of varying levels of angst? Possible self-inserts? YOUR CHARACTER ART?? These are a few of my favorite things! Definitely gonna check your comic out! ;D

      Thane of MossThane of Moss29 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • I JUST FOUND THE ULTIMATE MESSED UP TIME-SKIP! The ICarly Revival!

      Slevin ChannelSlevin Channelหลายเดือนก่อน
    • I am interested in comicaurora website. I'll check some of it's comic. I love your art

      TB96TB96หลายเดือนก่อน
    • I was wondering about that. Please let us know when things become more consistent, as I loved the series up until this point, and would like to keep reading it when I am allowed to do so.

      Steve KSteve Kหลายเดือนก่อน
  • More lit less chit, (cartoons are stories I know but...) more lit less chit

    Jesus MindJesus Mind21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา
  • You need to dissect Momento

    Stephen MosackStephen Mosack21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา
  • Too many cartoons for me, wild, loopy, quantum, tangent on the curve, spiral on a back leaning line time skips; Ursula Le Guin, "Lathe of Heaven", Time Skip as central, both plot driven and character driven central drive shaft, or centuries on a moment, "Chronicles of Narnia" Quantum time skip ending, one moment split in two, Donnie Darko, Donnie frickin Darko oh yeah. spoiler alert (from the 1980's he he) The Devil's Advocate, Al Pacino, (the Devil) and Keanu Reeves, (the lawyer) End of the 3rd act, Devil roars at lawyer threatening to quit, "There's nothing out there, you've seen it!" or close to it, nothing out there, now what, work for me and....time skip Changes everything, Time skip as story climax, total game changer, and not stupid easy way out but real thoughtful chit man thrills right up to the last frame.

    Jesus MindJesus Mind21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา
  • It's rare, but my favorite subversion of the "Oh no the timeskip broke things we liked we gotta get it back and thereby undo the whole point of a timeskip" issue is for one character to be really into the idea of "setting things right" even though from everyone else's perspectives the changes have actually been positive and healthy, even if they weren't always fun. A good, albeit simple, example of this is in Steven Universe Future, where Steven is so used to helping Lars and Sadie overcome their unwillingness to openly communicate so they can work out their relationship problems that he keeps trying to "fix" things between them even when they've actually had a healthy discussion, ended things on good terms, and moved on with their lives.

    Megan BarhorstMegan Barhorstวันที่ผ่านมา
  • Trope talk on the quiet ones? Especially when they break?

    Guardian TreeGuardian Treeวันที่ผ่านมา
  • Litterally every one of these negative timeskips happens in every live action show. The first 6 episodes of season 2 legacies is just tryna go back to normal.

    that one guy 500that one guy 5002 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • 14:52 Ok, but isn't pretty much every character a self insert since you created it?

    Doctor DingoDoctor Dingo2 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • You think attack on titan season 4 did a good time skip yes or no

    Joshua KelleherJoshua Kelleher2 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • A manga with a lot of timeskips done well is 20th century boys, where the plot goes through the protagonists' entire lives, demonstrating how their actions irreversibly change their lives and the world, while still maintaining the core story and character building of the main characters

    Iiii VvvvIiii Vvvv3 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • 12:22 petition to get red to watch one piece, seeing as how a lot of its plot is character driven with extensive world building I'm sure she'll like it

    Iiii VvvvIiii Vvvv3 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Woah....

    Danilo FelicianoDanilo Feliciano4 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Challenge: Read "Belgarath the Sorcerer" by David Eddings and try to see if you can tell when a time skip or time jump occurs.

    Xiao OnXiao On5 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Has any film ever been made without timeskips? If yes, I think it'd be useful for some people around me who complain about time jumps in most instances, insisting that a film or show without them wouldn't be weird at all.

    Philipp CPhilipp C6 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • That’s it I’m writing a story that shows every time the main character poops

    Bird The BearBird The Bear6 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • You haven watched or read one piece............my heart will recover but god give a warning before u hurt me like that

    MR.STUKESMR.STUKES6 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I am actually ok with time skips establishing somethings only to be undone soon

    Mushfiqur RahmanMushfiqur Rahman7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I think ToG handled the time skip really well. Well, there are multiple mandatory time jumps over the course of the story, which mostly serve to speed up natural character development, but also add scale to this unique world and its rules, to say like, yeah, it took them three years of traveling literally to get from plot point A to the place where plot point B happens. And I think thats far better than just adding a bunch of unnecessary side drama that is not relevant to the story. Go read it on webtoons, Tower of God, it's good. As far as I remember, there's only one major time skip that immediately follows from the major, gut wrenching cliffhanger at the end of season 1, where really no first time readers know what happens and the way the story is constructed at this point, I think it just works, it's SO GOOD

    DragongagaDragongaga7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Completely unbroken /buffers stretch of time.

    LiamLiam7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • The real question is why the big leap is called a timeSkip and why the short one is called a timeJump

    boioboio7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • ReBoot... [gets hit by the nostalgia train]

    abloogywoogywooabloogywoogywoo7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • The show "Heroes" has an addiction to timeskips. I'm halfway through season 3, and I'm noticing a recurring theme. One or more of the characters travels to and/or sees the future, and one by one, the protagonists are rounded up (because no matter how many times they come together to save the world from catastrophe, they always end up far away from each other by the next volume) to save the world. There's always a period where they show what happened in the past to catch everyone up on the madness that is the present, and then show an unrecognizable future brought to you via the butterfly effect. Now, I do like time travel in fiction. It's amazing. But dude... there's such a thing as too much. One guy can manipulate time and space, another guy absorbs and copies his powers, one dude can depict the future in paintings, guy absorbs his powers, other guy kills original guy, and steals his power for himself, and two other guys are shown to develop this ability in later seasons, then there is a thing people eat that gives them visions of the future, one woman can predict the future when she dreams, guy absorbs and copies her power, girl can run super fast, and her ability at one point becomes supercharged, enabling her to travel faster than light and the show goes along with the space time continuum idea of traveling faster than light lets you go back in time, so she goes back 16 years, and the show glosses over how she came back to the present... just, so much time travel and future reading.

    Hungry PenguinHungry Penguin8 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Red did a comic! Awesome!!

    Kelfsword16Kelfsword169 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • When you get the time, watch one piece. I know it's a bit much but believe me, it's worth it.

    Lee 24Lee 249 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • 12:10 the characters changed? Outside of looks and power-ups they are the same characters personality-wise

    David HoppDavid Hopp10 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Vinland saga has to have one of the best time skips out there m.

    JustankittyJustankitty10 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Jojo's bizarre adventure is known for it's timeskip for introducing 5 generations of it's cast which were all male and now a female main character is coming into the final arc then there's a reboot/not reboot arc that has the story and main characters somewhat switch roles, it's weird but it seems to work for this series.

    Nathaniel LeeNathaniel Lee10 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • big disagree with your point at 10:15, how, precisely, those two character who werent around, were they supposed to know that the happy go lucky goofy ass martian kid wouldve become a MIND RAPIST

    montezumamontezuma10 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Anyway yeah I liked Fire Emblem Three Houses' timeskip, especially how Edelgard and Dimitri both grew, you can really see Edelgard's transformation from a student to an actual Emperor, and Dimitri's descent into madness

    Hanji Cohen-ChangHanji Cohen-Chang10 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • So is the eyepatch guy a Fire Emblem Three Houses reference or is that a common thing that happens?

    Hanji Cohen-ChangHanji Cohen-Chang10 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • @jayhasthebigdumb fr fr?? i was like omg dimitri? what?

      Hanji Cohen-ChangHanji Cohen-Chang7 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • Dimitri immediately came to mind when I saw him…

      jayhasthebigdumbjayhasthebigdumb7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • probably really stupid of me for expecting anything to do with Fire Emblem here lmao

    Hanji Cohen-ChangHanji Cohen-Chang10 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I remember Naruto being such a huge offender on the second one. Three year timeskip and it amounted to basically everyone changing clothes and learning one new technique.

    ArachCobraArachCobra10 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I remember when a friend and I used to edit each other's writing, she'd nitpick the fact that I wouldn't show the stuff like the process of waking up, putting on pants, etc every single time. It's nice to hear that this isn't the faux pas that she tried to tell me it was. It's one thing when the audience is trying to keep track of important objects and spacing, but I shouldn't have to say the characters brush their teeth *every time* they wake up.

    darkwaterseraphimdarkwaterseraphim11 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I’m glad you brought up young justice. 5 years is a huge amount of time to skip for kids. Often they’re not even really the same person anymore.

    Cordon JosephCordon Joseph12 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Alias’ time skip at the end of Season 2 is notable in that it explicitly uses the disruption of the POV character’s relationships.

    Brian GerstelBrian Gerstel13 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Thank you for bringing up Young Justice. We share the same thoughts on that show’s time skip mess.

    Emerald Star ProductionsEmerald Star Productions14 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • your vids are really good but god damn are you talking at 10× speed

    zenoaeno penozenoaeno peno14 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I tend to have an aversion for timeskips but I absolutely love those in Tower of God. The funny thing is, since most of the cast is basically immortal and already very old, most things stay the same except for the protagonist who changes A LOT, so you have the nice breakup in continuity byseeing the hero grow while not having to relearn the rules of an already massive world.

    L'Humanoide Errant des InternetsL'Humanoide Errant des Internets15 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I HATE to laud voltron, because I hate how dirty they did their characters, and they had DO much room for growth they never took. BUT. Something I did LOVE about that show was how they handled the timeskip. The team doesn't even know until they're filled in by an outside party. For them, no time has passed, so their character interactions and internal struggles haven't at all changed, but the universe around them HAS. Things got worse for the universe, much, much worse, and they need to double down their efforts to stem back the tide of the galra empire, which has now found its way to *earth*, their home. As paladins, this was *always* personal. For Keith and pidge, this was always personal, theyd lost people to this, not just their lives. But they're forced into this future where their home is being threatened, despite the fact that they'd beaten the last immediate threat. Through the final season we see the payoff of all their previous work at becoming good fighters/pilots/strategists/engineers/soldiers. They focus, work, and do everything they can, often running themselves into the ground. 6 teenagers an uncle and one basically dead adult responsible for the future of the universe. The war got worse, and through the season we see the team get more intense. They become better fighters, more coordinated, and more dedicated. More than once a team member willingly puts themself in the line of fire for the mission, or even goes so far as to almost sacrifice themself to save others. And, they almost loose the war. Its pure, unadulterated luck for a long, long time that they're not crushed. Allies weapons and system-fixes happening just in the nick of time to prevent disaster. That got a little tangental, but the point is that we got the best of "Time skip to darker future" and "time skip to show characters being older and more badass" without loosing the character arcs and interactions we'd been built up to. It's extraordinarily well done. (Honorable mention that after abt season 3, when the show had basically been greenlit to continue until it was done, Voltron never ignored the overall passage of time, and the effect it had on the characters. Even if it was only given a few moments here or there, those moments were always used to set the tone of the next scene. This show NEVER let an opportunity to portray war as something horrible, even if we were actively rooting for one side, we SAW the tragedy. The thousands of gala ships that went down, the mass graveyard Pidge runs through to find her brother, the way Lance misses his family, how Keith's character development stems equally from his relative isolation from others, exasperated by the mission (his mother being a blade, Shiro being taken from him over and over again), and his sense of duty that is driven by his desire to protect people. The war is hard on all of them in different ways, but the passage of time is something that affects ALL the characters, and the timeskip in its homestretch really doubled down on that theme)

    laurdes zlaurdes z15 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • This video was brought to you by One Piece

    ThePhreakassThePhreakass15 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Yesss love to see Reboot analysis!

    KelessaKelessa15 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • "No one ever poops." Red obviously hasn't read Gulliver's Travels. I'm not kidding. Thanks for that, Jonathan Swift. 😑

    _ G8dFäthəR __ G8dFäthəR _17 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Love the comic!

    V.M. SmidtV.M. Smidt17 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Petition for Red to read and/or watch One Piece🔥🔥🔥

    Robin LorenzRobin Lorenz17 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Okay but let's get serious read One Piece

    mraajaxxmraajaxx17 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Watching this after Endgame like 👁👄👁

    Julius MunemoJulius Munemo17 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • How did it take so long to get to one of the most popular tropes!

    Christine KingstonChristine Kingston18 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • You should to a trope talk about idiot plots lol

    The Boulder027The Boulder02718 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • um... What is a 'cotton candy elf'? Is that like eye candy? Nevermind. I'll just read it.

    Daniel BigginsDaniel Biggins18 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • you had me at medieval super hereos

    Daniel BigginsDaniel Biggins18 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Once Upon A Time did time skips with memory loss a lot. Like everything that happened on that show, it was repeated enough for it to seem ridiculous that they'd go to that well again.

    Adam GiessAdam Giess18 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I think it would be interesting if you talk about the "in another world" trope

    just a red birdjust a red bird19 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • @Ironic Divine Mandate Stan and is funny how he wrote one of the first isekai and also tom sawyer

      just a red birdjust a red bird18 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • @Ironic Divine Mandate Stan yes, but i want to hear red trashing this trope and then talk good things about it and how and how not handle them for 8 minutes straight

      just a red birdjust a red bird18 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • Mark Twain wrote an isekai.

      Ironic Divine Mandate StanIronic Divine Mandate Stan18 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • If I could afford it, i would pay money to see your example characters turn into an actual television show

    Someplant59Someplant5919 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • The Time Jump that is most awkward to my eye that is used A LOT are after shower scenes when they show the character go from the shower to their clothes and get dressed with out drying off first.

    Matthew RichardMatthew Richard20 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I think Fairy Tail's first time skip was actually pretty good. In that one the entire main cast basically misses out on the time skip and the entire next arc is about them trying to repair the damage caused to their guild because of this. FT went from being one of the greatest guilds to being a laughing stock, I can't be the only fan of the series who cried when Natsu crawled through his motion sickness just so he wouldn't get last place because he knew his friends had spent 7 years suffering.

    N-RivN-Riv20 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Me, a manga reader: I've watched One Piece and Attack on Titan, but I'll watch this anyway and hear explanations and examples

    Maxine SeniorMaxine Senior20 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • The fact that Robin/Nightwing and Zatanna just unceremoniously broke up off screen (unless I missed something) always made me furious in seasons 2 and 3 of Young Justice.

    KeystoneAgentKeystoneAgent20 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Time-skips of months/years almost always bug me. It's like we just miss a huge chunk of the characters journeys, and essentially get reintroduced to them as different people - like jumping from season 1 to season 6 of a show and wondering why certain characters have died, broken up, gotten together, made new friendships and developed different personalities. I find it almost cruel (I'm thinking Young Justice from season 1 - season 2 in particular. That really annoyed me as a kid).

    Harry WeaverHarry Weaver20 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • You have other things going on? Is finishing Journey to the West one of those things? Please, please finish it. I'm begging you.

    blaze 13541blaze 1354120 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • talk to fast

    rick davisrick davis20 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • The most surprising timeskip that I recently saw was the one in season 3 of Jane the Virgin. They suddenly go 3-4 years in the future and I did not expect it. It's wild but it was handled very nicely in my opinion.

    phanfingerphanfinger21 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Narrator: a time skip happened the world is all messed up Protagonist: No don’t worry i pushed this button and rewound to everything before the time skip Supporting: cast this is actually kind of boring Protagonist: you want me to push the button again Supporting cast: we want you to push the button again * back to your regular scheduled show*

    Griffin TattongeyerGriffin Tattongeyer21 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • One of my favorite novels/Chinese anime stars with the words "Good news everyone, Wei Wuxian is dead!" This is a little jarring since Wei Wuxian is the main character. We are also informed that he was the Big Bad-- a war hero gone rogue and insane after he invented necromancy. Not to worry though, the actual story starts 13 years after that, when Wei Wuxian is summoned back into another body via a dark ritual. He is mildly miffed about this. What I love about that story though is how it sets up our expectations for how things are gonna go, and how Wei Wuxian is going to interact with the people from his past, and then continues to smash them, much the the POV character's confusion. It's a great use of a time skip, unreliable narrator, and limited point of view. As I watch through the trope talk videos on your channel, I'm continously delighted by just how many tropes Mo Dao Zu Shi manages to use to great effect. I didn't know you were making a web comic, but now I'm curious how YOU use tropes and, well, everything else I've heard you talk about. I'm going to check it out.

    AnayacerinaryuAnayacerinaryu22 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Hey so this probably won't be seen but what about a trope talk on soulmate!

    Luvu TVLuvu TV22 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Major nostalgia when seeing Reboot

    Ruaidhrí RyanRuaidhrí Ryan22 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • "Superhero medieval times". That premise reminds me of Dominic Deegan. So much snark on the Giant in the Playgrounds web forums for Dominic Deegan.

    Peteman12Peteman1223 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • My favorite timeskip-induced-eyepatch-acquisition has to be Dimitri in FE three houses. I haven't taken the time to do a thorough analysis, but this timeskip successfully got me re-invested into the plot of the game as well as the characters whom I got to know as a player before the timeskip occurred. Even without counting Dimitri, the design changes are spectacular (for the most part). It makes a lot of sense as to how the status quo has changed, and how the future will be affected by your choices, so I think that's why I could be immersed by the timeskip even though I knew from trailers that it would happen months before three houses was even released. My biggest problem is how the player insert character byleth is handled, as they stay the same as 5 years pass by. It seems like the biggest waste of potential that they didn't give another redesign to the supposed main character, or maybe the final nail in a coffin for what could have been a good protagonist. Robin >>>>>>>> Byleth

    Truman FoglerTruman Fogler23 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Your videos always put me in a better mood when I'm stressed, thank you

    demigodsavatards-godemigodsavatards-go23 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • 13:27 Watched the final season of Fairy Tail recently, eh?

    Deathboy17Deathboy1723 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • "Time skips shouldn't move the story backwards" Star Wars Sequel trilogy be like "Oh, you defeated the Empire and saved the galaxy?" *uno reverse card*

    Peace Out BruhPeace Out Bruh24 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • @Obi-Wan Kenobi For real. Luke's character just undid everything he stood for. One of the biggest themes in the OT was how there can always be good in evil. Luke watched as his father turned back to the light after being this horrible overlord. Then he senses some darkness in one student, and his first instinct is to kill him? What???

      Hungry PenguinHungry Penguin8 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • Man, how I hate those sequels... They make me feel like I fought for nothing. Also, if they so easily erased the victory of the OT and made everyone a failure, it doesn't makes me trust the ending of the sequels because I know they could just as easily erase that victory and make them all failures. And that feels so pessimistic, which is the opposite of how Star Wars should make you feel.

      Obi-Wan KenobiObi-Wan Kenobi20 วันที่ผ่านมา
Trope Talk: Timeskips