Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.
Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.
At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,
"That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."
Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,
"There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"
Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,
"Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."
Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!
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  • How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

    • @Phill Simmer care to elaborate? I just rewatched it. There is alot in the way the true scenes vs the fake scenes are shot that have subtle differences.

      Beni SegelBeni Segel4 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • I think the movie happened. But your theories are fake.

      Phill SimmerPhill Simmer4 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • sex

      pknmpknm7 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • The parts that are fantasy are him on the Murray show in the beginning, his relationship, and thats about it the rest is real. Once he realizes his relationship is fake and his mother was a liar, he accepts his true reality and that is when he realizes that his life is a comedy! Because he no longer believes his life is a tragedy, he no longer has to fantasize about the life that he wants. Everything you see thereafter is actually happening.

      Beni SegelBeni Segel8 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • The whole thing except his fantasy with the gorgeous black girl.

      Keith HobbsKeith Hobbs11 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Tbh the background music *DID NOT MATCH*

    Shobna SegranShobna Segran2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา
  • Id like to see a sequel where Arthurs delusions mesh with reality...also id like to know when and where his chemistry background comes from

    Leroy GallagherLeroy Gallagher8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา
  • What if it all was an helusination from thebeghining and he's been sat in that chair

    flowkeys treeflowkeys tree10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา
  • (From a Game of Thrones Fan) If I have my “expectations subverted” again with Arthur not being the Joker, I’m going to lose it.

    SJ OsioSJ Osio10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา
  • Loved it either way hahah hahhhahhaaa

    autumn barnetteautumn barnette11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา
  • Well, if this whole thing was imagined by Arthur when he was locked up in Arkham asylum, this movie must be the darkest movie I might ever watch in my entire life. Even thinking about this idea makes me so sad… OMFG

    Frances DunFrances Dun12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา
  • But there was at least one significant scene that's not from the jokers perspective, which was the killing of Bruce parents, and also scenes from the clown riot. And those riots happened partly because of the subway murders (which started the clown meme).

    xyhmoxyhmo18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา
  • The whole idea of the entire moving having not happened and just being the delusion or made up story by a random whacko is the lamest theory ever. Haha I mean it defeats the entire purpose of the movie. There is perhaps no lamer trope than the old "it was all a dream" and it would be especially lame in a movie about the origin of a that actually exists haha. If you're going to make a movie called "Joker" about the character the joker, part of it means the story actually had to have happened and the character is a real person otherwise you could have called the movie anything and the entire batman/wayne angle, etc, would have all been unnecessary. Shittiest idea ever and would effectively ruin the movie. "What do you get when you take an awesome movie and then a wanker who then tells you nothing in the movie actually happened and was totally pointless..."

    GraysonKadeGraysonKade18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา
  • Upvote for Joaquin in HER

  • The ending is up to the viewers’ interpretations/imaginations. The movie was intended to be ambiguous and it’s brilliant. It is a masterpiece and will go down as a significant piece of art history in years to come.

    Diet CokeDiet Cokeวันที่ผ่านมา
  • I'm still getting my melon around the ending of Vanilla Sky & then i go & watch this film....

  • Phoenix is a legendary actor.

    Mi SharifMi Sharifวันที่ผ่านมา
  • It’s really not that hard to understand, Joaquin is the original joker that will later inspire the joker who will fight batman in the future

    Azmir FAzmir Fวันที่ผ่านมา
  • Who kills his parents then? Is Arthur joker or is the real out there

    tha epic dood roberttha epic dood robertวันที่ผ่านมา
  • I don’t care

    Anything-type ChannelAnything-type Channel2 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • The idea that the whole thing is imaginary is just bloody stupid I get the concept but it’s just a perfect origin story-the final scene could just be the lead on to the sequel

    George PhinnGeorge Phinn2 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • This movie was to trick us and conduse us smart people

    NinjaaBrian2 21NinjaaBrian2 212 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Joker created the The Joker is what I am going with.

    Melissa ClarkMelissa Clark2 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • maybe he caused a rampage in Arkham

    Melissa ClarkMelissa Clark2 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Maybe last scene its far in the future when he found out that batman its Bruce Wayne, one that stops him every time he try to do what he wants and he created that. its one i like and came up and makes movie interesting to me even more

    nikolygtxnikolygtx2 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • This video really pisses me off

    PunjabiM8PunjabiM82 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Looper ur full of u know wut if Arthur isn't joker. Ur guaranteed a Bill Murray Ending.

    Jose MaciasJose Macias2 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I don't know if I like this interpretation.

    Joe LJoe L2 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Whether these stories are his imagination or not, it’s still reality.

    Michaud LormilMichaud Lormil2 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • yes mental illness is a reality and this shows inside what that is like and even though parts may be dilusions or untrue it was still true to him and he still felt every pain of it

      Karen MiricKaren Miric2 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Here’s my take on it or just a collection of thoughts about the movie...The Joke at the end is: 1. All of it happend just in his mind, he was in the loony bin all the time OR after he broke into her apartment 2. He never got a real gun from the guy, he asked his co-worker for one but he denied and told it to his boss. It really was just a fake weapon. 3. He’s not the real "Joker", that‘s why there won‘t be a sequel. There can‘t be a sequel! 4. He told Murray that he‘s not the kind of clown to start a movement, which means that some random guy killed these 3 guys, probably to rob them because they looked like money. He‘s not the evil mastermind that we know as the joker. 5. The whole movie is paying homage to Taxi Driver, the 1976 movie classic starring Robert DeNiro, and also a movie that tells a very similar story

    Mario LangnerMario Langner3 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Please no, we barely get any good movies this couple of days and this one is literally the best of century, please dont ruin and destroy it for no reason... let it all be real and this will be remembered for a very very long time.

    Shiver me timbers ye landlubberShiver me timbers ye landlubber3 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • This is an illusion, joke movie.... this is point of this movie, to persons who watch it to say "My heart is broken, oh I cryed, poor Arthur, no one loves him,"... but only what is real, is that :Arthur never exist, only Joker in his body. Movie make fools of u... earn money from u

    vuksan bulatovicvuksan bulatovic4 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Wanna hear a joke? Naw, you wouldn't understand it...

    CrazyMonkey 0117CrazyMonkey 01174 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • Neither would you lol

      Phill SimmerPhill Simmer4 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Soooo dumb

    Brandon WarrenBrandon Warren5 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • He was laughing at the end because that was the part where he came up with the joke from the comic the killing joke

    Larry DiamondLarry Diamond6 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • Maybe. It's actually a really good theory. But I would also be disappointed if that were true. Because it means the philosophy was adopted, not created or interpeted. Imo, the joke is a play on words. Arthur is the joke that the psichiatrists never got. And neither do we.

      Phill SimmerPhill Simmer4 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • He is the joker from the killing joke

      Larry DiamondLarry Diamond6 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • This joker is dark knight joker's dad ,this joker is older than health joker and it's a back story also health said about his dad in dark knight ,then this all makes sense

    Vishnu PrakashVishnu Prakash6 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Its made that way that people discuss endlessly about it, and that studios can spin the franchise in which direction ever they want. Maybe Arthur Flex "inspired someone else (in some Joker Movie to come..). Or maybe all the story was only in Flecks "Mind" while he is in Arkham. Or or or .. THATS the joke, they dont come with answers, so your brain is nevery really "done" with this movie.

    Arlon RandoArlon Rando6 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • I can see where it fits. I can't help but see the joke as a play on words. The joke IS Arthur Fleck and that is why the psychiatrist never got him. And neither do we.

      Phill SimmerPhill Simmer4 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I want to know what fixing spray the joker used (at the end of the movie)😂

    unknown -xxxunknown -xxx6 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • man i really want joaquin to be the actual joker, comon dude, he was amazing and such a badass , i raelly can't see anyone being better than him and ledger now, joaquin was amazing in this role. it would be suchj a shame for him actually not being the joker.

    KhizoKhizo6 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I love the way how the Joker mention Murray name. In addition this movie can be its own spin-off of what the joker does next and he taking over Gotham. It will be awesome for him to meet Batman and see his reaction about him. I feel annoyed already to guess who is the Joker and reality we already have so many different Jokers that I feel like we had enough about that. Because I feel we could not get no other Joker than Phoenix he did a great job interpreting Joker

    RocknedaRockneda7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • That is really weak. Stand to your story.

    Affe BananeAffe Banane7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • actually you are not real, you are just a hallucination, or are you?

    Peter MustermanPeter Musterman7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • You guys are going to be kicking yourselves the moment you find out what the joke is.... It's actually kind of clever.

    Phill SimmerPhill Simmer7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Nah. That’s the Joker...

    Vincent ScottVincent Scott7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I hope this theory is not true

  • The Joker being the real Joker is way better

    Abhay KAbhay K8 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • The joke is still on you

    Christopher BothaChristopher Botha8 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • This Joker inspired... Leto’s Joker! That’s the joke.

    samuricexsamuricex8 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • Lol

      Jacaranda FalconJacaranda Falcon3 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I don't know what happened, but I do know that what needs to be kept in mind is although the Joker is crazy, he's also considered a criminal mastermind. Another consideration is this movie is separate from the DC Universe so they can mix up any story lines they want from all the Joker stories, or completely fabricate stuff altogether.

    Justin YatesJustin Yates8 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I actually hope they don't explain the reality. The mystery is better.

    Bell's TheoremBell's Theorem8 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • That was a masterful piece of ciner

    Bookof NahumBookof Nahum9 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • When i saw it, i thought that 'Arthur' might have inspired one of his followers, or one of his followers kids, to become Batmans nemesis.

    Theodor HansenTheodor Hansen9 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I Know for a fact that everything happened aside his girlfriend being a delusion but I think that the joke at the end is about young Bryce because it shows him thinking about it and it's irony how the rich and the so called super hero were the ones to evolve Arthur to who he slightly is

    jaime maciasjaime macias9 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • The movie depicts a me, myself and Irene kind of story where Jim Carey played a role of a nice guy bullied by every scumbag that surrounds him until one day he snaps. Arthur”s case is worse and out comes the Joker for all the hurt becomes a murderer who starts out defending himself and ends up taking out any bully. Delusional due to all the torture and rape of his dignity. A normal child destroyed throughout his life from the very foundation of his mother to the before mentioned. The thing about is it’s a typical story of what bullies of dignity bring out. An unfortunate reality unhinged in greater numbers now a days, forget the 70’s it”s back to haunt us in our days. Enough said

    damian fonsecadamian fonseca9 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Joker is better than any Marvel movie 100%, along with the best DC movies like TDK and MoS. The MCU sucks for its two dimensional characters, tonal inconsistency, and for the fact that it’s fundamental quality is its CGI. The best of DC is better than the best of Marvel in EVERY SINGLE way. all Marvel has is the success it’s prone to because of Disney’s ability to ruin the film industry by making general audiences hold other movies to the MCU standard.

    Evolved FanboyEvolved Fanboy10 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • If he’s not the real joker, this would actually ruin the whole movie for me! I loved the message and the critical view of society and how people make other people bad even if they only wanted to fit in! If it’s all in his head or he’s not the real joker, I’d be so disappointed! I’d love to see a new Batman movie with him in it! Starting how he gets out of the Psychiatrie

    Vivian DarkbloomVivian Darkbloom10 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • me too!!

      Poffo OrtizPoffo Ortiz8 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • So basically the themes were meant to spark and inspire based on the images and themes....project toothpick and M13 Nazi scientists win again.

  • after he shoots Murray his laugh seems genuine

    Rbby ClmrzRbby Clmrz10 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I wish I did not listen up to 4:00. Now I will be restless until he reveals that!! Saw the movie already 3x and now I'm having a break just bcs I feel a little embarrased to be so obsessed with it 🤣🤣🤣

    Tangerinka410Tangerinka41010 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I would be profoundly upset if he was merely inspiration for an eventual Joker. I hope they don’t go down that route.

    Diane SuffernDiane Suffern10 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Going by dates/timelines....The movie takes place in 1981. In the movie Arthur's Mom worked for the Waynes 30 years prior, before being fired. So in the movie depending on if you think Arthur was really adopted or "fathered:" in a Wayne cover up, he could have been born around 1950-1952 or so. In the movie, Bruce Wayne was 9-10 years old in 1981...So if both are meant to be present in today's DC universe, Arthur would be 67-69 years old, and Bruce Wayne would be 47-48 years old. Based on that, I don't think there is anyway you would see Joaquin's Joker appear in the current DC Storyline Movies, and if a sequel is made, it's best to keep this series separate from those canon films.

    Shaun BlevinsShaun Blevins10 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • He wouldn't see them together because putting a character so established, deep and profound as the joker Todd and Joaquin created in an action movie would be a disgrace.

    Itay ReshefItay Reshef10 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • @Justin Yates No, for the same reason that Leto's is lame cause they put the joker in a half comedy half action shit movie I just don't see that ever happening to Joaquin's joker or wish for it to happen

      Itay ReshefItay Reshef8 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • So super villains are not supposed to fight their arch nemesis super heroes? All my life I've had it all wrong. THANK YOU!

      Justin YatesJustin Yates8 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I knew it lol ahaha I said this at the movies

    DagamemasterableDagamemasterable11 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I envisioned him being the real joker. But maybe the clown that killed the Wayne’s? Doesn’t joker kill Bruce’s parents in other joker stories?

    jdedgejdedge11 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Excellent

    Frank RizzoFrank Rizzo11 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • He's referring to the joke when he was on Murray's show. About the kid and the drunk driver. Cause it cuts to Bruce Wayne in front of his parents . when he talks about the joke she wouldn't get. That's it .

    Chuck RustleChuck Rustle11 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Had this theory myself and I honestly hate it. It would feel like a waste of an amazing performance and origin story to say "Syke, he's not _THE_ Joker, here's a movie about the *real* Joker"

    Michus VMichus V11 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Oscar worthy performance. Loved the coming down the stair dance, like he was reborn.

    Colleen JonesColleen Jones11 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • So basically the Joker director doesn't even know.

    AnonemesisAnonemesis11 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • @duckyzzz I disagree the guy clearly has no clue which is why he is waiting for fan theories to come out so he can choose one for the sequel I can't think of anything he would gain out of not just telling people the movies been out over a month.

      AnonemesisAnonemesis5 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • He knows. Hell, set all fan theories aside and play with the words. Someone else will get it in time.

      Phill SimmerPhill Simmer7 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • @duckyzzz he has no idea until they write a sequal. He created a confusing movie, gave the excuse of "oh it can be viewed in many ways" and when the sequal is written they will let us know if that movie actually had a point to it or not.

      Justin YatesJustin Yates8 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • He knows exactly what they were trying to do with this movie... He said it at the end 3:50... They're just not revealing it yet.

      duckyzzzduckyzzz9 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I felt SO bad for the Joker during this entire movie. the beating up scenes were the worst :(...I just, idk, I’ve experienced it too...

    LoveLife & Dream4EverLoveLife & Dream4Ever11 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • But, I’m 100% sure Suicide Squad Joker is a JOKE

    sludge696sludge69611 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • The only other time Fleck laughs and it seems to be normal and not part of his ptsd is after he shoots muraaay.. I wonder if the director gave us clue here that the shooting was in his head.... hmmm

    omniscientomniscient12 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • Watching now and Murray's assistant literally just said " part of your act... did you hear about what happened? A clown got killed on the subway.".... Creepy

      omniscientomniscient12 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • I think he may have been killed at some point and the rest was his fantasy. On the subway maybe?

      omniscientomniscient12 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • my mom coming in my room too find me crying while playing minecraft: whats wrong? Me and whos bees just got killed by my friend: you wouldnt get it

    AntiBoomer OkAntiBoomer Ok12 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • What is the guy who shot the Wayne’s was the real joker? What if in a future Batman movie, They would bounce back to the scene in this joker and it shows that guy in the clown mask, shoot the Wayne’s, then he takes off his mask and it’s the real joker.

    Metro RooterMetro Rooter12 วันที่ผ่านมา
Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene