Heat Pumps: the Future of Home Heating

It's so cold that it's hot.
Part 2: th-vision.net/detail/%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%82%E0%B8%AD-7zrx-b2sLUs.html
I referenced a lot of old videos in this one. Here they are, in clickity linkity form!
Chest Freezers; What they tell us about designing for X
Old-fashioned rice cookers are extremely clever
Reusable handwarmers that get hot by freezing
I also made passing references to
Forced-air Furnaces: The What, Why, and How
Portable Air Conditioners - Why you shouldn't like them

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  • Hello! Here's a comment with some extra info on efficiency and the metering devices used in heat pumps. First: my wording on the efficiency drop in the cold was sloppy, and it sounds like I'm suggesting the need for defrosting is the only reason it loses efficiency. It is _a_ reason, but not the biggest one - that's simply that as the outdoor temperature gets colder, it's harder for the refrigerant to absorb heat because the temperature difference between it and the air gets smaller. In fact, in the clip when it was -10°, it wasn't building much frost at all because it was very dry. But that was so cold that the refrigerant could barely capture any energy, which is why its output was tepid. And to be clear, its rating down to 5° doesn't mean it operates at full efficiency at that temperature. That's just the lowest temperature that it can sustain its rated heating output. Re: metering devices. I still somewhat suspect that the mini-split has a capillary tube and largely because of its cost. It was surprisingly inexpensive (this unit was about $1000, but the smallest units from this same manufacture only cost $750 and are fully capable heat pumps). If you use a thermal expansion valve or similar, you need one for each direction which adds to the system's complexity somewhat. I'd still argue that it hardly does - it is, after all, one or two small components of a large system. But simply reversing the refrigerant flow doesn't work on its own in systems that use these more complex metering devices. They'd need some additional piping and valve work (some such valves were visible in the demo rig) to accommodate two metering devices for each direction of flow.

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    • I was super surprised when I first moved to Japan and EVERY air conditioner was also a heater.

      Jason DolphJason Dolph4 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • @melskunk central heating is a big system where water is heated by power plant or similar building that is built specifically for it. Then this water travels via pipes to houses and goes through radiators, cooling down and heating up rooms.

      LTVALTVA7 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • @LTVA wait what is the difference between a furnace and central heating? We call our home furnace our central heating

      melskunkmelskunk7 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • Could you turn a window AC to be outside and heat your house or room technically?

      Ethan NicholsEthan Nichols7 วันที่ผ่านมา
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      汪波汪波8 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • It sounds like you're saying that a heat pump produces a over-unity for heating. Are you saying that the power plant miles away burning natural gas is more efficient than heating with a fireplace or natural gas furnace on site. Isn't their loss in powerlines and conversion losses from burning gas to boil water to turn a turbine heck they have to pump the water to boil how much energy was used for that? A gas furnace is using a blower motor for it's electric needs but a heat pump is using that plus a compressor several sensors and electronics. Let me tell you what savings you'll have with a heat pump water heater. None. Upfront cost - High, Plumber - High, + now you need a HVAC Tech - High, It affects your homes heating system costing you more, needs a drain for condensation. It falls into regular resistance heating with heavy usage or everytime it needs service and Techs are so expensive no one gets it serviced so shame on owners for not maintaining it. It works on paper not in reality. High Maintenance costs are the problem with technology and only the rich enjoy these impractical clown engineered devices. Most improvements in vehicle fuel efficiency came from weight reduction and turbochargers. A drop of fuel will always contain the same amount of power as it did 50 years ago and probably 50 years from now.

    lostc0zlostc0z11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา
  • Unless you find a way to produce electricity considerably cheaper than it currently is, I suspect home furnaces aren't going anywhere (in the US anyway). The rated seasonal heating efficiency of these systems are very optimistic and assumes a climate similar to that found in Dallas Texas (where it might actually make economic sense to use them). In heating dominated climates, heat pumps generally cost much more than a natural gas furnace due to the fact that natural gas generally costs about 1/3rd what electricity does per unit energy (in the U.S.) and the COP over the heating season will be less than 3, even for "high efficiency" air-to-air heat pumps. Also, heat pumps decrease in capacity as outside temperatures drop, so you'll also most likely need a source of backup heat unless you want to risk freezing your house and bursting the pipes carrying water and sewage. Aside from what I already mentioned. It would almost certainly put a strain on power grids in heating dominated climates. Heat pumps are generally less efficient in heating mode than cooling mode and more heat is required, meaning that winter peak electricity demand would exceed summer peak electricity demand. To summarize, aside from requiring an overhaul of the entire electricity grid, costing you more money to condition your home, and potentially causing extremely expensive damage to your home (and freezing the occupants of said home), it's a brilliant idea. Hey, Elon Musk said it so it must be true! He's the genius who "invented" the "Hyperloop", Electric Cars, and Space Flight single-handedly.

    Michael HillMichael Hill17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา
  • 147 degrees C out of an air con unit inside the house'? could fry food on that o.O lived and worked in Greece for 5 years previously, all air con out there (UK origin, no aircon), pretty sure around 30 was normal on the units?

    B00rishB00rish21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา
  • I’ll just grab some uranium for heat.

  • I have 2 indoor units and 1 outdoor. What happens when I set one of my indoor to heating and one to cooling?

  • Heck, I had reversible ones in Malta. That gets never below zero as a result of a very large moat (it's an island), but when it's 10ºC outside you're very happy they cam reverse their summertime job (where it can go from 23ºC night time to > 35ºC as soon as the sun goes up).. Nice article, and sensible logic. Thanks for this.

    Freddo FlintstonoFreddo Flintstono2 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Wehad one in Minnesota in the seventies already..

    Kenneth KossanKenneth Kossan2 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • A CoP of 2.9 in ideal, test conditions? So a CoP of 1.0 at home if you're lucky.

    SergeantSergeant2 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • In the book of Isaac Asimov foundation, the planet Trentor was heated like that. He wrote it in the Nineteen fifties.

    Artur HArtur H2 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Just an FYI about GSHP in urban areas. St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC has installed a huge Ground Source Heat Pump System to provide ALL heating and cooling . The Abbey in Bath, England has also installed a Ground Source Heat Pump plant. Your information about Ground Source Heat Pump installs are not accurate!

    frank rizzofrank rizzo2 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • "Not rated for under 5 degrees." So, perfect for me here, in California, but this is still news to me!

    NightChimeNightChime2 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Future? I’ve had a heat pump since 1986

    Brad RyanBrad Ryan3 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • -8C is kind of too warm for most environments in the US. It gets much colder than that in winter.

    ErgzayErgzay3 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Let me tell you something the new world order for a 100 years now have been making people believe they need sticks and bricks, know you need dirt you need the dirt to keep you warm you need the dirt to keep you cool , look up Michael Reynolds look up earthships, look up straw bale homes it look up. The truth green is the earth.

    WASH WOMEN 777WASH WOMEN 7773 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • You're a bit behind the curve on this since heat pumps have only been used for about 50 years now ! ! To present this as if it is recent development is ridiculous. Only a dolt would believe this is a notable subject. What next , are you going to tell us the new development of blending color of exterior machine unit to building color by using spray paint on their cabinets ? ? I have unit hidden by blending green spray painted exterior unit to match the green of the hedge that surrounds the perimeter. Entire house looks better this way . Is that also an item to make another useless video about ? Lose some weight , go get outside & do something useful without the need to bother anyone else .

    William Richard James NicholsonWilliam Richard James Nicholson3 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • This would be amazing in the uk! Why is nobody talking about this? This would be a big hit with newly built homes, since here it’s rarely freezing but heating is almost always required!

    Car Parking MultiplayerCar Parking Multiplayer3 วันที่ผ่านมา
    • Somehow the UK is always very late to adopt new building technologies- it seems that double glazing is still a new thing there! When I lived in Scotland, a local architect, who lived in Germany for a while in the 90s, was furious while telling me how British architects and builders are still building traditional looking houses with single glazing and hardly any heat insulation, and thus the occupants of these houses then have to turn up their gas heating high to stay warm. It's a good thing gas is cheap in the UK, but it won't be like that forever :/

      VykintasVykintas2 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • My dad is an electrician and refrigeration mechanic here in Australia, so I knew about reverse-cycle air conditioning from a broad overlook perspective, but this video went into a bunch of detail that I love! Thanks for being my favourite tech nerd youtuber!

    WantEpicMusicWantEpicMusic3 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I absolutely love how educational your videos are and your angle on things but please work on making the videos shorter or a bit more energetic as it's not easy watching the entire video despite my interest in the topic May you always have more success

    Mahmoud EzzMahmoud Ezz3 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • boy he loves refrigeration

    Michael NasoMichael Naso3 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Here in EU heat pumps are popular, especially with solar heat and electricity, as they allow you to scale down photovoltaic installation. You get quicker return on investment if you combine these three. Not to mention the reduction of emissions, which will be huge even if you rely on coal power. During the coldest days just run your cryptominer to keep you warm ;)

    Marcin KościelnyMarcin Kościelny3 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • The plucky cub partially carve because zone successively interest apropos a tricky mice. unable, anxious glockenspiel

    Davit prttersonDavit prtterson4 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • "Reverse the polarity of the refrigerant flow!"

    QuixoteQuixote4 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • my parents live in southern Canada, and they also have a heat pump that works quite well. They are really efficient!

    Munk PuppyMunk Puppy4 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • stronger pipes & valves with better coolants would allow this to work more efficiently in extreme weather conditions

    James JinJames Jin4 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • He's right, every winter I turn my window A/C unit around so the cold blows outside and the hot side is in my apartment.

    --4 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • This reminds me of a really cold day from school. I live in Australia, so we only used the ac to cool a room. So in this scenario, no one even thought to turn the ac on. A few teachers started bringing heaters in before someone said something lol.

    JetpackDinoJetpackDino4 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • That's about the clearest explanation of this subject I've heard. A very good video indeed!

    Rob SchofieldRob Schofield4 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Hey! I know exactly were that is! Went to school at FRCC!

    Caleb ReetzCaleb Reetz5 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • how much did Pepsi give Pioneer to include there logo ;)

    Simon MunchSimon Munch5 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Mini-splits.

    Sophie RobinsonSophie Robinson5 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Rip the average winter day for me is -26c. Warm days are -17c cold days are -50c

    LolanLolan5 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • The Texas Big Freeze of 2020: I know of a large company that replaced their Propane based HVAC system with a heat pump system that was all electric, and guess which one failed, because Heat Pumps lose efficiency as the temperature drops? Sure, you can get add on electric elements for heat in the system, which works great, right up until either A) the power bill gets jacked up thousands of dollars, or B) the power goes out or into rolling blackouts, and regardless, you are still a slave to an electrical utility, and with the likely potential of higher bills even when working within 'normal' temps, or a blackout whenever they need it. With propane or natural gas, it's easier to run minimal systems with a backup generator of some sort. One of the owners who approved purchasing this technological trainwreck stated that they had researched it first.. on TH-vision.

    MediaMatters IsMyCockHolsterMediaMatters IsMyCockHolster5 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I'm getting a Tesla Model 3 soon-ish (month to a month and a half or so). And...guess what it has! The AC in the car is a reversible heat pump.

    StormsparkStormspark5 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • This connection of videos makes all of this science make more sense!

    Ian BenavidesIan Benavides5 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Teletext video?

    Marcin DżamrogaMarcin Dżamroga5 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • My family recently built a house - as in in the last year - and we got an air source heat pump. Shits crazy

    lollopingnooblollopingnoob5 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Why don’t carbonated beverages cool themselves as they decarbonate?

    Ed AtenEd Aten5 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Your audio is decent, but please run it through the "de-esser" in audacity to kill some of that sharpness in your "s" sounds. When I turn volume up, there are major volume spikes on your s's and it's almost painful when the rest of the vocals are just nice and audible, not 'too' loud.

    Rolph FinkinRolph Finkin5 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • "What if I were to tell you that all of the energy you need to heat your home on a cold winter day could be found.. outside?" Me:Bullsh*t.

    Axe 001Axe 0015 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • As a payer of ridiculously high heating bills in Canada, this really caught my eye! So I googled it a bit... Here's what I got: For climates with moderate heating and cooling needs, heat pumps offer an energy-efficient alternative to furnaces and air conditioners. Like your refrigerator, heat pumps use electricity to move heat from a cool space to a warm space, making the cool space cooler and the warm space warmer. (As cold as it gets here, well it gets just as hot in the summer, not very moderate) Drawbacks of air-to-air heat pumps are: regular maintenance is required (cleaning the filter on the indoor unit) and a service check every 2-3 years. loss of efficiency as temperature decreases below 6-7ºC (but some models can still provide heating in temperatures down to -15ºC) (So in Canada, where winter temps get as low as -40C, this will require either another unit, or wood heat to take up the slack.) How much will my electric bill go up with a heat pump? $50 to $100 per month. (So I guess I won't be buying one, shucks!) Heat Pumps will raise your electricity bill - but lower your costs for other heating fuels. Each single unit (often referred to as a one-to-one) heat pump that is used daily will increase your electricity bill by $50 to $100 per month.

    George LoyieGeorge Loyie6 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • What a load of mumbo jumbo. It's against reason to think you could efficiently warm up your home with air that's a lot colder than the air indoors. Can't possibly work without using loads of electricity. It is most certainly not going to be more energy efficient than just burning gas onsite to fuel central heating.

    Withnail1969Withnail19696 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Nice video. Less repetitive than others. But temperature is not the "concentration of energy." You can have boiling water, with the liquid and gas phases at 212 deg. F. Both are at the same temperature, but the concentration of energy is much higher in the liquid.

    betaneptunebetaneptune6 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Any idea of the efficiency of that similar outside unit north of you? Next time i have to replace mine is certainly love to consider the option.

    BlackSmokeDMaxBlackSmokeDMax6 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Okay I know you're all talking and stuff but I'm diggin' that sport jacket yes...yes, it's rather snazzy. A big huge gaudy yellow gold ring on your little finger . That's all that jacket needs. Come on. You know I'm right. A good CHUNK of gold, HEAVY. A ring that says stuff. Yes. A ring that makes people say "What the HELL man!?"

    Ken MasonKen Mason6 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • 2:11 I love the dubbing. I have seen movies with worse dubbing. "'Yippee Ki-Yay, Mr. Falcon" (done for American TV censorship, but some dubbing in theatrical releases was bad too)

    George HGeorge H6 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • 3:00 Welcome back to your chest freezer; star of an earlier video :)

    True RiverTrue River6 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • So its like a portable air conditioner which blows the hot exhaust air inside instead of out the window?

    hwd71hwd716 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Incredible content, as usual. It’s rare to find such production quality filled with solid engineering knowledge. Definitely one of my favorites on YT.

    Rodrigo MaderaRodrigo Madera6 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • We have heat pumps in the UK. I used to work for a company that installed them underground.

    Tom TurnbullTom Turnbull6 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • In western MT I heat my 30x40 well insulated home with one of these heat pumps except for when it gets below around 5*F. I don't bother to use the air conditioning cycle in the summer as I just open the windows in the early morning and close up the home during the hot part of the day.

    OlTrailDogOlTrailDog6 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Incredible, you managed to make me understand this. Wow, that is quite an accomplishment, thank you.

    PauleraBRPauleraBR6 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • meanwhile i'm watching this video with an axe near a pile of wood :))))

    Darius VarnoDarius Varno7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Why has no one made a refrigeration system and named it "Maxwell's Daemon" ???

    edgeeffectedgeeffect7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • "Air conditioning has been standard in American homes for over 50 years." You are showing your privilege, here, son. Make that 30 years, and you would be correct.

    Lucky 13Lucky 137 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • ok, so does this mean when Tesla announced they put a heat pump into their Model 3 that they just added that little reverse valve and piping thingie? Because the rest was already there being the A/C system that comes as standard in basically every modern car. [edit] that's exactly what you point out in the next one, nice :) [/edit] Also the fact that this system can have an energy efficiency above 100% blew my mind.

    Ce1esCe1es7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • The “future of home heating”? Really? Heat pumps have been around for a long time.

    Matthew ByrdMatthew Byrd7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I thought you lived in Orlando FL, I guess you moved up north

    adaptiveplexusadaptiveplexus7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • What you propose is in Europe standard. MURICA f###k yeah!!

    muten861muten8617 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • This is an awful explanation of refrigeration.

    IronLion219IronLion2197 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I had no idea I was interested in this stuff. Maybe I should go into the HVAC trade.

    DunwellDunwell7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • What FLIR camera are you using?

    Steve LarsenSteve Larsen7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Wow. First up....those split air AC systems are getting retro fitted to many buildings in U.K.....such as workplaces, dentists, doctors surgeries. As for heat pumps, the aim of U.K. gov is to have all new buildings + replacement systems be heat pumps (or alt simply electric heating) in 10y from now. Currently most buildings are heated by gas - not the stuff you put in automobiles, but the gas they dig up from under the sea and pipe it to buildings. Are heat pumps really that reliable...seems to be lots of plumbing in the system.

    David RummingDavid Rumming7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • 👍👍👍

    Walter BurtonWalter Burton7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Bepis 13:25

    Guilherme TrojanGuilherme Trojan7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • I'm going to trade school for HVAC and Refrigeration. Its pretty cool seeing one of my favorite youtubers talking about it

    Human Sh!tpostHuman Sh!tpost7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Heat pumps have become a relatively commonplace method of heating homes in New Zealand.

    RR7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • quick question, can we use electrolysis to build pressure without an electric motor? doesn't have to be electrolysis, all it has to do is be less energy intensive than running the compressor and cause out gassing.

    King MasterlordKing Masterlord7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • Your mic eq really makes the S sound of your speech hurt my ears

    Yoda'sFreetimeIsSpentHereYoda'sFreetimeIsSpentHere7 วันที่ผ่านมา
  • In the Netherlands we have homes running sololey on heat pumps, no gas or electric backup. We use water-to-water heat pumps with heat recovery and (efficient) low temperature floorheating. Since ground water doesn't change too much over time; the heatpump is very effective all year through. Installation costs are pretty high; but to be connected to gas, you have to pay a monthly fee. Also; you're only using electricity and when combined with solar panels (and triple isolation); we can create practically '0 emission'. It really helps that the Netherlands doesn't have extremely harsh weather though, but water/water heatpumps will be much more effective in the US. Looking forward to part 2!

    xFuaZexFuaZe7 วันที่ผ่านมา
Heat Pumps: the Future of Home Heating